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| Quote: | 31 Aug 2010 - Rain says he was investor, not majority share holder
After months of being charged and accused of fraud and embezzlement, singer Rain has finally responded with what looks on the surface to be a thinly veiled ruse to cut all ties from J. Tune Entertainment -- the company he had formed after leaving JYPE Entertainment in 2007.
Rain revealed in a recent interview with Money Today -- a local business daily -- his involvement with the company had strictly been as an investor and not the company’s head despite his role as a majority shareholder.
In response to months of charges hurled at him by former investors of his entertainment company, Rain’s response is seen by many industry pundits as the singer pulling the "babe in the woods" act in playing dumb.
"Becoming a majority stock holder was not something I wanted. I was simply an investor in the company," Rain said in the interview.
"I don’t know much about the profit structure of a business venture."
Investors are saying his latest response is just a "sly excuse" in what was essentially a "hit and run" job where he pocketed large sums of money far greater than the total revenue the financially-strapped company has generated in the three years it has been in business.
According to investors, Rain initially received an estimated 15 billion won when he had signed the contract to act as the head of the company in 2007.
"As expected, he’s just making excuses without taking responsibility of how his actions affected us financially," one of the company’s investors told a sports daily Tuesday.
"(Rain) failed to mention parts of his involvement with the company that would clearly put him at a disadvantage. He has even failed to gather the neccessary documents for the lawsuit he’s been slapped with that would exonerate him from these charges."
The entertainment management and contents company was started up on the back of heavy capital from investors keen on taking advantage of the 30-year old’s rising celebrity as an international star.
But when the company failed to become a profitable venture -- which included his now defunct clothing line J. Tune Creative -- during the first three years as a publicly-listed stock company, Rain sold off his majority stake, cutting loose from his involvement which had caused the free-fall of the company’s already diminishing stock value.
Since then, investors have filed a law suit against the singer-actor on charges of embezzlement and fraud.
On why he had failed to release an official statement when the charges had been made earlier in the year, Rain said he was busy filming his latest television series which is scheduled to air at the end of September on KBS2.
By Song Woong-ki
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Gott, der Arme! Er spricht hier die Wahrheit und die Rain kennen (seine Naivität und auch Unschuld und dass er zu dem Zeitpunkt erst gerade mal 25 Jahre war) wissen das auch. Aber für Leute, die ihn sowieso auf dem Ticker haben, ist dies nur eine billige Ausrede und sie werden ihn weiterhin als Lügner darstellen, der sich am Unternehmen bereichert hat und jetzt die "armen" anderen Verluste machen.
Rain, das hast du wirklich nicht verdient!
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ja der Arme ... man die sollen ihn endlich in Ruhe lassen
| Quote: | 31 Aug 2010 - [단독 인터뷰]비 "나는 경영자 아닌 투자자"
"이제 연예인으로만 살겠다…5:5수익배분, 제이튠 흑자낼 것"
[머니투데이 스타뉴스 마카오=김동하 김건우 기자]
"나는 경영자가 아니라 내 자신에 투자한 투자자였다. 앞으로는 연예인으로만 살고 싶다"
소속사 주식 ‘먹튀’논란에 휩싸인 가수 비(본명 정지훈)가 말문을 열었다.
비는 지난 23, 24일 양일간 마카오 현지에서 3시간여에 걸쳐 머니투데이와 단독 인터뷰를 갖고 투자자들에게 이익을 돌려주기 위해 자신에 대한 수익배당을 줄이겠다고 밝혔다.
가 수 비는 지난 2007년 9월 {제이튠엔터}테인먼트 유상증자에 참여한 뒤 4년간 150억원 규모의 전속계약을 맺었고, 지난해 10월에는 조합해산으로 최대주주로 올라섰다. 그러나 투자 2년9개월만인 지난 7월 보유주식을 전량매도하면서 '먹튀'논란에 휘말렸다.
상장사에 대한 투자는 주주들의 제안으로 이뤄졌다며 최대주주가 될 의도도 없었다고 강조했다. 비는 "먼저 사람들이 찾아와 투자를 제안했고, 훨씬 거액의 계약금을 제시한 곳들도 많았지만 믿을 수 있는 사람들과 회사를 만들고 싶었다"며 "내 회사에 투자한다는 마음으로 그동안 번 돈을 투자했다"고 말했다.
먹튀 논란의 핵심 중 하나는 비가 과연 회사 경영에 책임이 있느냐의 여부이다. 경영에 참여했을 경우, 회사가 적자인데도 매출액보다 많은 금액을 계약금과 용역비로 지급받은데 대한 책임에서 자유로울 수 없기 때문이다.
실 제 지난 24일 제이튠엔터 소액주주는 가수 비와 소속사대표 조동원,김윤철씨를 배임죄 등 사기죄로 부산사하지방경찰청에 고소했다. 이들이 주주를 속이고 회사의 매출액보다 많은 계약금 150억원과 수수료 등으로 총 273억여원을 비에게 지급하면서 회사에 막대한 손실을 입혔다는 것이다.
비는 이에 대해 "재무, 사업 등 회사 전체 경영을 하지 않았고, 할 수도 없었다"고 강조했다.
비는 150억원의 전속계약금도 당시 자신을 영입한 주요 투자자들이 먼저 제안한 것이며 실제로 내년 매출까지 합치면 합리적인 수익을 낼 수 있을 것이라고 밝혔다.
회 사가 계속 적자가 난데 대해서는 자신도 이해하기 어렵다고 밝혔다. 자신에게만 모든 걸 거는 1인 기업이라는 상황도 부담스러웠다며, 자신만을 이용하려던 사람들에 대해서는 원망도 든다고 말했다. 그는 자신이 실제 경영을 했더라면 아마 여러가지 사업을 하면서 자신에게만 의존하지는 않았을 것이라고 말했다.
그는 "연예인이라는 점을 악용해서 나를 흠집 내려는 일도 겪었고, 연예인을 하면서 사업을 하는 건 힘들다는 것을 깨달았다"며 "결국 가수·배우로써 최선을 보여주는 게 좋겠다고 결심했다"고 말했다.
비는 투자자와 연예인으로서의 내적갈등이 특히 심했다고 밝혔다.
부침이 심한 연예인으로서 재테크에 성공하고 싶은 욕망은 있었지만, 주식을 팔 때 부담은 말로 표현하기 힘들 정도로 컸다고 말했다.
그는 "3년 동안 성실하게 일만 열심히 했지만 돌아오는 건 비난과 오해였고, 숱한 송사에 시달리는데 지쳤다"며 "연예활동에만 전념하기 위해 주식을 싸게 팔수밖에 없었다”고 토로했다.
한 개인으로서 주식을 판 건 떳떳하지만 자신을 믿고 투자해준 사람들에게는 안타까운 마음도 든다고 말했다. 그러나 아직 1년 2개월이라는 계약기간이 남아있다며 '기회를 달라'고 말했다.
비와 제이튠 엔터는 회사의 수익을 높이기 위해 비와 회사의 매출 배분 비율을 기존의 7대3에서 신인 연예인 수준인 5:5로 변경했다고 밝혔다.
비는 이를 통해 회사를 흑자로 돌아서게 하고 자신을 믿고 투자해준 주주들에게 조금이라도 이익을 주고 싶다고 덧붙였다.
[주요기사]
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31 Aug 2010 - [Exclusive Interview] Rain-"I'm not CEO Investor"
"Artists Only now is killing ... 5:05 revenue-sharing, to jeyityun heukjanael"
[Hollywood Reporter News Macau = gimdongha gimgeonwoo]
"I invested in my own investors, as managers, respectively. We only want to live a Celebrity"
Agency Co. 'meoktwi' controversy swirling singer Rain (real name Jung Ji Hoon) is ITxpo.
Rain last 23, 24 more than three hours from KAIST in Macau over the site and an exclusive interview with Money Today and returning profits to investors to cut their earnings for a dividend, he said.
Can the rain last September 2007) (J. Tune tainment Capital participated in the enterprise after the scale of 15 billion won four years has forged an exclusive contract, combination In year 10, climbed into the largest shareholder in dissolution. However, 2 years and 9 months after investors last July, while selling their shares in full 'meoktwi' locked in controversy.
Investments in listed companies, shareholders, saying the offer been made to become the largest shareholder said it did not intend. Rain, "the first people to come and offer investors, and many times when a lot of money proposed for the down payment, but you can not believe people wanted to create a company," said "in my mind, been investing in companies that have invested money," he said.
One of the key ratio meoktwi controversial whether the company is whether it is the responsibility of management. If you have participated in the management company more than the amount of revenue even though the deficit with a down payment Amount paid as responsible for receiving hit the spot because they can not be free from.
J. Tune my room the last 24 days Large minority shareholders agency that represents singers jodongwon ratio, including fraud, breach of trust gimyuncheol Mr. Saha Busan Metropolitan Police accused of. They lie to the shareholders of the company sales more than 15 billion won deposit and fee payment due to rain, while a total of 273 eokyeowon company is suing a huge loss.
This ratio for the "financial, business and overall management of the company did not, could not do," he said.
The ratio of 15 billion won transferred to their signings at the time of deposit of major investors will be offered first to actually combine sales next year if I can get a reasonable profit, he said.
Saga continues in deficit, wicked hard to understand for himself, he said. Everything is only one company calling themselves the situation scare him away, saying, trying to use his only cared about the people, said the blame also. Perhaps he had made a real business, while many businesses did not rely on their own, he said.
"The artists that by exploiting the work I've been trying to scratch, while Celebrity's hard to project realized," "In the end the best show as a singer / actress had decided I'd better," he said.
Ratio of internal conflict, especially as investors and Artists simhaetdago said.
Artists severe ups and downs in investment as a desire to want to succeed, but when you sell shares the burden attributed to the degree that it's difficult to express in words said.
"I honestly only three years back but not hard, was criticized and misunderstood, he had to shoot countless accuse tired," said "in order to concentrate on entertainment activities and was forced to sell stock cheaply," he wrote.
Sold as a private equity investment trust's tteottteothajiman gave his heart for those who claim to pity, said. But still one year remaining contract period of two months, saying 'Give me a' he said.
Jeyityun ratio of enterprise ratios to increase the company's earnings ratio of the company's revenue allocation to an existing level of 7 from 3 Amateur Artists announced changes to 5:05.
Turning it into a surplus ratio of the company and shareholders gave their trust to invest and want a little added benefit.
[Major article]
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A big thank you to all the wonderful Clouds, who were involved in translating this interview! Every Rain-Fan should read this. And continue to support Rain and to believe in him!
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31 Aug 2010 - Q&A about Rain clarifies his position on the controversy with J. Tune Part 1
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Korean to Chinese translated by nezumi35@Baidu Rainbar
Chinese to English translated by LifeMadeSimpleRain09 & angelordevil@RVN
English proofread and edited by Cuckoo@New York
Q :50 days has been passed after the dispute of selling all JTune stocks. Why have you preferred to remain silent?
Rain: People were unwilling to believe me even if I said these words at that time.
Q: What do you react the comment? Some people think you are going too far because you took more than 15 billion won from the contract three years ago.
Rain: The shareholders offered me 15 billion won.. They basically considered me as a product. At that time, I just successfully completed World Tour, morever I was going to enter Hollywood, Many companies engaged me into their projects. It is generally believed that the success of merchandise into Hollywood, the value of product will increase.
Q: Per contract, your annual compensation is 4.1 billion. As the result, you get more than company’s turnover in 3 years?
Rain: The money which I get is based on the ratio 7:3 per contract. As an artist, I work around the clock three years, I am always doing my best. In first 1-2 year is the period of preparation, it usually goes through it then the sales will grow positively. In fact, the company’s turnover is increased from the first year, 3 billion won to 9 billion won ( reporter note: As of June 2009, the total sale was 9.1 billon won). Now is the time to harvest the results. Since the day I got money from the contract, the company has begun to make a reasonable income. It’s harvest time, however, conflict between shareholders and management team has emerged.
Q: The reasons why investors are angry because you sold all your JTune shares?
Rain: During that time, I personally had a very painful experience. Due to the experiencing of the failure of fashion business (six to five), so I completely understand my involvement would bring the significant impact of others. It’s too difficult to be an artist at the same time as a businessman. I also experienced some malicious use my status as artist. I think it is good enough for me to make every effort to be a singer or artist. From now on I just want to be an artist.
--When stock price goes up, I am also an ordinary person who wants to sell the stocks. Therefore, I feel so painful. At that time, I thought I could only sell the stocks in a time of low stock price, in order to get people trust in you. However, because it is a painful process for the company, so I choose to get rid of stocks a little by little. Probably this series of conditions lead to a misunderstanding.
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http://www.rain-eu.com/xe/27045
Q: Because you are not an ordinary investor but the largest shareholder, the company’s only revenue source, it took money more than company’s turnover, then sold out all of the stocks held…
Rain: I don’t want to be the largest shareholder. I don’t even know how to become the largest sharehold. Since my initial investment of J.Tune, I have considered myself as an investor rather than an operator. As we all know, artist is not a very stable job, no one knows what things happen will be. Of course, I never thought of big gains from investment.
Q: You say you don’t know the meaning and responsibilities of the largest shareholder, but majority of investors considered J.Tune as your company.
Rain: I just realized that I am the largest shareholder through the media. But also, because company is operated by the board of management, so I don’t know how should exercise the power of the largest shareholder. I have neither the right to speak nor attended general meeting of shareholders as the largest shareholder. I treat my investment as a general investment like an ordinary investor. In order to avoid misunderstanding, I managed to sell all shares in various stages.
Q: In view publicity, your purchase aimed at “getting the right to manage”
Rain: The definition of “management rights” here and the general meaning in the market are difference. For me, the “ management rights” refer to the right to decide what kind of work I do. In addition, I absolutely didn’t participate any operations management. The public bulletin you mentioned is the first time I know. It quoted me out of context if I participated in the operation. I only participated in the work of my own business.
Q: If there were more companies with higher payment, why did you select J.Tune? You don’t want to get more profit in the result of listed companies, do you ?
Rain: Although there was company proposed with 10 billion won, I think good people with common language even more important. I just want to feel happy to engage in the performing arts, and now I am working on it. I work 365 days without hesitate, that is because I hope to bring company in the ratio of 7:3 revenue. However, even so, misunderstanding is still existed, I really sad.
Q: Deficit is always the problem of J.Tunet. Turnover is less than investmen, the more activities, the more deficit…
Rain: Why is the turnover is much lower than the investment? In fact, I don’t understand. At first, when I went to USA, I just lived in an apartment with small room. Some people said I should travel in J.Tune expense in my USA trip. However, most of the cost was the expenditure of film company and related investment companies, J.Tune almost spent no money on it, but still deficit, which I really don’t understand. Frankly, I even don’t quite understand how the structure of investment funds. Thus, I can’t give you a clear answer.
Q: Before the company has been listed, 4,7 billon won which you have invested is your own money? Because you get 15 billion won from the contract, so you seems not pay much though...
Rain: Right, I invested all my earned money at that time. Some people said that I invested what I have taken from the contract, but my contract payment is received after listing. That is the money which I rightfully earned.
Q: The majority spending of J.Tune’s turnover is their largest shareholder, Rain. Is it obviously the deficit and stock price drop is because company gave you (Rain) the large sum of money?
Rain: At that time, I asked the management why no investment on other businesses, they said they were waiting for good target . That’s why I was very happy when they said they wanted to open clothing company. However, I felt burden if company just rely too much on me.
Q: Many people invest to J.Tune because they believe in Rain, but they end up losing money. Have you ever put yourself in the small shareholders’ position?
Rain: Thus, I changed the proportion of my income from 7:3 to 5:5 ,and signed the contract. Accordingly, deficit is reduced from onwards. 5:5 is the proportion for new artist.
Please credit all people below when you re-post this translation to other websites. Thank you.
Korean to Chinese translated by nezumi35@Baidu Rainbar
Chinese to English translated by LifeMadeSimpleRain09 & angelordevil@RVN
English proofread and edited by Cuckoo@New York
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Korean to Chinese translated by nezumi35@Baidu Rainbar
Chinese to English translated by Cuckoo@New York
Q: The establishment and failure of J.Tune Creative (six to five company) deepen the dispute of your stock selling issue. It is generally believed that J.Tune Creative is established and operated by you.
Rain: The establishment of this company aims to complement my performing acts. It was an idea of J.Tune Entertainment representative Cho Dong Won. I also had a substantial investment 9.5 billon won. At that time, a co-investor who worked with us questioning if the 20 billion won advertising model fee was too high. However, taking in account of unpaid work if it would affect J.Tune Entertainment (reporter note: 15 billion won investment from J.Tune Entertainment in J.Tune Creative has already sold). Now, I am still holding shares of J.Tune Creative. Although I tried my best to complete my work, the result was very painful for me.
Q: J.Tune Camp is a financial company, contracted with J.Tune Entertainment, providing management for artists.
Rain: J.Tune Camp is a company through the form of optimazed agent to improve the efficiency of company {I don’t really get the meaning from the Chinese version, so I just direct translated} , I don’t have any shares of this company, just participated as producer. The key staffs are co-workers in Japan and South Korea since I have debuted. Mentoring the boys group MBLAQ while working as producer is my initial thought.
Q: You have CT&T’s shares, company of low-speed electric auto car, and you are also its advertising model. At that time, people believed CT&T would be listed through J.Tune, thus stock price of J.Tune was increased…
Rain: Working as an advertising model, CT&T was accepted this request for J.Tune Entertainment. Part of the shares was charged as an advertising fee. I have no interest in that business personally. I just did what I was told.
Q: If you go to military service, the company will have no income. People worried about company’s operational and listing sustainability…
Rain: I haven’t participated in management, thus I don’t know these things. However, I know there is no possibility of delisting. About the military service, although I can’t guarantee anything, I think you can believe in me. Don’t worry!
Q: Anything you want to tell shareholders?
Rain: The dispute of selling all shares as the largest shareholder made me sad and suffered insomnia. Although I tried my best, it still turned out as it. This matter made me extremely disturbed. Perhaps I made mistakes unintentionally, but I believed that I haven’t done anything in violation of law. I am also a shareholder. As an investor, I feel that these are our internal issues…In the future, I would like to show you something more, I hope you believe in me and eventually say “Oh! This is it”. Contract will be expired in one year and two months. Please give me a chance!
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Ich habe mir das Interview noch nicht ganz durchgelesen, aber die letzte Antwort von Rain ist wirklich... es bricht einem das Herz!  Man merkt richtig, wie das Ganze ihn mitgenommen hat. Diese geldgierigen Pestmücken (Justice, mein neues Lieblingswort dank dir).
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Es ist ja alles gut und schön aber wieso bin ich nicht damit zufrieden?
Ich kann genau sagen warum. Weil ich sachen wie: "Davon habe ich keine Ahnung" - "das wusste ich nicht" - "ich habe das nicht mitbekommen" - Sätze von Rain sind die mir nicht geläufig sind.
Seit WANN ist Rain denn plötzlich NUR ein Angestellter von J. Tune? Wofür stand das J nochmal???
Ey sorry ganz ehrlich Rain hin oder her aber hier stimmt was nicht. JEDER und ich meine auch JEDER - Fan, Industrie und weiß der Geier wer kennt J. Tune als Rains EIGENE Firma. Seit wann ist das nicht mehr so? Seit wann hat er nichts mehr zu melden? Seit wann hat er plötzlich von Business so GAR KEINE Ahnung mehr?
War es nicht so, daß er die Firma gegründet hat weil er seinen eigenen Weg gehen wollte. Das war doch das was er gesagt hat?
In der Discovery Doku wird J Tune auch als SEINE EIGENE Firma vorgestellt.
Ich kenne mich hier mit Aktien - Börsen - Anteilmanagement nicht aus aber ich weiß das hier was nicht stimmt.
Es spielt keine Rolle ob ich ein Cloud, ELF, VIP oder weiß der Geier bin. Wenn ich das Gefühl habe sie bauen Mist oder haben Mist gebaut dann nehm ich mir auch keinen Blatt vor den Mund. Und das hier stinkt mir!
Supporten werde ich ihn so oder so weiterhin weil ich sein Fan bin und ich bin froh wenigsten einen Satz von da oben zu lesen den ich schon seit Ewigkeiten hören wollte. Nämlich das er nicht Businessmen sondern Artist sein will. ENDLICH!
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Also ich bin jetzt verwirrt!
irrgentiwie muss ich justice zustimmen
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LVRN
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07.09.2010 11:36 |
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@Justice:
Ich habe den Artikel zweimal gelesen und nach dem ich deine Post und Reaktion gesehen habe, ein 3. Mal.
Rain hat an drei Stellen gesagt, a) er versteht es nicht und b) er weiß es nicht. Bitte den ganzen Kontext auch dazu durchlesen!
zu a)
Why is the turnover is much lower than the investment? In fact, I don’t understand. At first, when I went to USA, I just lived in an apartment with small room. Some people said I should travel in J.Tune expense in my USA trip. However, most of the cost was the expenditure of film company and related investment companies, J.Tune almost spent no money on it, but still deficit, which I really don’t understand. Frankly, I even don’t quite understand how the structure of investment funds. Thus, I can’t give you a clear answer.
zu b)
I don’t want to be the largest shareholder. I don’t even know how to become the largest shareholder. Since my initial investment of J.Tune, I have considered myself as an investor rather than an operator.
Q: If you go to military service, the company will have no income. People worried about company’s operational and listing sustainability…
Rain: I haven’t participated in management, thus I don’t know these things. However, I know there is no possibility of delisting.
Rain spielt nicht den “Habe nichts gesehen, nichts gehört, nichts gesagt – ich verstehe nichts”. Rain hat im Interview offen und ehrlich gesprochen. Zu a) drückt er sein Erstaunen darüber aus, warum die Einnahmen, obwohl er so viel Aktivitäten macht, Tag und Nacht schuftet, immer noch weniger als das investierte Geld sind.
Zu b) gibt Rain zu, dass er eigentlich keine Ahnung von diesen Dingen hat, sondern von anderen dazu geraten worden ist, so vorzugehen und er wurde sehr schlecht beraten. Für ihn ging es nur darum, Geld in das Unternehmen zu investieren, um es überhaupt erst einmal aufzubauen. Bitte auch auf folgende Aussagen im Interview achten:
- Although there was company proposed with 10 billion won, I think good people with common language even more important.
- They basically considered me as a product.
- I also experienced some malicious use my status as artist.
Das zeigt mehr als deutlich, wie Rain (wie wir die meisten Fans geahnt haben) ausgenutzt worden ist und wie jeder mit Geldgier Profit aus ihm und seinem Namen machen wollte. Er ist wirklich gutgläubig, naiv und deshalb wahrscheinlich für die Business-Welt (jedenfalls nicht im Moment) geeignet. Aber das gibt er auch endlich selber zu!
- I asked the management why no investment on other businesses, they said they were waiting for good target. That’s why I was very happy when they said they wanted to open clothing company. However, I felt burden if company just rely too much on me.
Und es zeigt, wie die ganze Last des Unternehmens auf seinen Schulter war und immer noch ist!
- I have neither the right to speak nor attended general meeting of shareholders as the largest shareholder. I treat my investment as a general investment like an ordinary investor.
- For me, the “management rights” refer to the right to decide what kind of work I do. In addition, I absolutely didn’t participate any operations management.
- Right, I invested all my earned money at that time. Some people said that I invested what I have taken from the contract, but my contract payment is received after listing. That is the money which I rightfully earned.
Es gibt genügend Fans (und Medien, Presse, TV), die den Fehler gemacht haben und immer noch machen, J. Tune als Rain’s Company darzustellen oder zu sehen. Rain hat von Anfang an gesagt, er ist nicht CEO, er ist nicht im Board of Management. Sogar bei Interviews über MBLAQ hat er immer gesagt, er sei nur Produzent der Gruppe und nicht der Boss (oder CEO, wie immer die Medien ihn gerne darstellen). Aber warum wird dies so getan? Natürlich werden Leute mehr Interesse (z.B. Shareholder) am Unternehmen haben und auch gerne in “Rain’s Unternehmen” Geld investieren.
Und das J bei J. Tune von Ji-hoon abgeleitet ist, bedeutet nicht, dass es auch seine Firma ist. MCM – ursprünglich für Michael Cromer München - hat heute weder was mit München noch mit Michael Cromer zu tun. Der Firmensitz ist in Zürich und die Besitzerin eine koreanische Geschäftsfrau. Es ist nicht seine Firma, aber er hat definitiv viele Freiheiten (vor allem künstlerische) und ihm werden bestimmt alles gewährt, was er möchte (natürlich nach Rücksprache mit dem Management und den Finanzverantwortlichen).
Jeder hat das Recht auf seine eigene Meinung! Ich sage nicht, Rain ist perfekt und macht keine Fehler. Natürlich macht er Fehler (er ist nur ein Mensch). Sein einziger Fehler hier war es von Anfang den falschen Menschen zu vertrauen und auf deren Rat zu hören.
Für mich ist das Thema hiermit abgeschlossen, weil Rain alles gesagt hat, was zu sagen ist und wir seine Fans stehen hinter ihm! Die anderen (Neider, Antis) können ihre dreckigen Spiele weiterspielen, dagegen können wir nichts tun. Aber wir können Rain aus ganzem Herzen unterstützen und dafür sorgen, dass alles, was er tut, erfolgreich wird!
In diesem Sinne: FIGHTING!
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Justice
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07.09.2010 12:27 |
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Sorry das ich im Moment nicht so detailliert auf deine Antwort eingehen kann wie ich gerne möchte LVRN. Sitze gerade im Büro und ich habe nicht soviel Zeit. :D
Ich möchte allerdings ein zwei Sachen im voraus sagen.
Was Rain mit seinem Geld macht ist mir persönlich egal. Das ist auch nicht welches mich aufregt. Ob er Aktien verkauft, behält oder verschenkt. Wieviel er Geld bekommt von J Tune im Gegensatz zum investment.
Dies sind wirklich Sachen die mich persönlich so gar nicht interessieren. Das ist seine eigene Angelegenheit. Ich renn auch nicht mit meinen Kontoauszügen durch die Gegend und gebe jedem Rechenschaft über meine Ein- und Ausgaben.
Wenn er Aktien verkaufen will dann kann er das und muss niemandem Rechenschaft geben.
Es kann sein, daß er auch falsch beraten wurde und Fehler gemacht hat. Da sag ich auch nichts.
Was mich aufregt ist sein Verhältniss zu der Firma selbst. Ich mag mich irren aber persönlich erinnere ich mich nur daran, daß Rain erst mit MBLAQs Debut angefangen hat, zu sagen das JTune NICHT Firma ist. Mir fällt zwar der Name des Herren nicht ein aber der CEO ist ein langjähriger Freund von Rain und sie haben damals JYP gemeinsam verlassen um J Tune aufzubauen.
Das hat ja nichts zu sagen. CEO zu sein heisst ja auch nicht das man der Besitzer der Firma ist sondern lediglich der Geschäftsführer. JYP ist ja auch nicht selber CEO der Firma JYP Entertainment. Genauso wie Lee So Man nicht der CEO von SM Entertainment ist. Ausnahme hier ist lediglich Yang Hyun Seok der Gründer, Besitzer und CEO von YG Entertainment ist.
Es wurde von Rain, JYP und diesem besagten Herren damals gesagt das J Tune Rains Firma ist.
Sprich das Rains "Rainy Entertainment" Firma die von seinem Vater betreut wurde zu J Tune wird. Und das sein langjähriger Freund CEO von der Firma sein wird weil Rain nicht die Kapazitäten (schedule, star etc.) besitzt eine derartige Aufgabe zu übernehmen.
Ich mag vielleicht auch an Gehirndemenz leiden aber ich kann mich auch an Rain erinnern als 6to5 released wurde. Es war schon immer sein Traum fashion Designer zu sein. Er wollte schon immer eine eigene Marke haben etc. Das wurde von Anfang an auch von Rain als SEIN Baby deklariert oder irre ich mich da?
Nun plötzlich sind seine eigenen Aussagen die er damals in Interviews etc gemacht nie gewesen und er wurde als Person NUR für diese "Marke" benutzt?
Hand aufs Herz LVRN. Findest du wirklich ALLE Aussagen die da oben von Rain gemacht werden einleuchtend? Ist es nicht so, daß es plötzlich so dasteht als wäre ALLES nur ein dummes Missverständniss der Medien, Fans etc. ist?
Ich beziehe mich hier nicht auf die Medien oder Aussagen von irgendwelchen Antis. Ich bin lange genug im Getümmel von K-Pop das ich daß nur bedingt und mit Vorsicht solche Sachen annehme.
Vielleicht mach ich mir mal die Arbeit und suche sämtliches Interview und Videomaterial von Rain raus wo er sich jemals zu J Tune und 6to5 geäussert hat um zu sehen ob alles wirklich NUR ein Missverständniss an sich war.
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LVRN
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07.09.2010 14:02 |
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In einem stimme ich dir zu: es ist und kann uns egal sein, was Rain mit seinem Geld macht! Es ist eine finanzielle Frage und damit seine private Angelegenheit. Aber wenn es da draußen Deppen, Fachidioten, Hasser, Neider und PESTMÜCKEN gibt, die Rain als unehrlichen, geldgierigen und kriminellen Menschen darstellen, dann ist er gezwungen solche Zahlen überhaupt zu veröffentlichen, damit die Leute sich mal bewusst werden, dass er nicht nur Arbeit, Schweiß und Mühe, sondern auch verdammt viel Geld in das Unternehmen gesteckt hat! Und er hat bestimmt bis jetzt nicht den großen Profit gemacht, wie manche es gerne darstellen wollen.
Rain redet hier vom Missverständnis zwischen ihm und den Shareholdern, die leider „privat finanziell“ Angelegenheiten öffentlich gemacht haben, weil sie sich in ihrer Gier selber ins Fleisch geschnitten haben!
Rain hat geholfen, die Firma mit aufzubauen und hat Geld investiert. Er hat von Anfang an (seit 2007) als Künstler einen Vertrag mit J. Tune Entertainment unterschrieben, der November 2011 ausläuft und hat dafür ein Gehalt gekriegt. Und dieser Vertrag war von Anfang allen bekannt! Hast du einen Vertrag mit der Firma, die dir gehört? Ich denke nicht, dass JYP & Co. das haben.
Rain hat vielleicht von J. Tune als seine Company gesprochen (wobei ich mich ehrlich gesagt daran nicht erinnere), aber was bedeutet „my company“ oder „Rain's Company“? Es ist die Firma, wo Rain hingehört, wo er unter Vertrag steht, seine Agentur. Ich arbeite bei Firma xyz und rede auch darüber als „meine Firma xyz“.
Zu der Frage nach seinem Verhältnis zu der Firma: ihm bedeutet die Firma viel und deswegen hat er bis jetzt so viel dafür investiert und getan und tut es immer noch. Chef oder Boss einer Firma zu sein ist, bei operativen und finanziellen Entscheidungen ein Machtwort oder überhaupt das Recht auf ein Wort zu haben. Und das hat Rain als Künstler nie gehabt, weil er keinem Management angehört hat und ist. Er hat von Anfang an diese Position nicht angenommen, weil
a) Keine Erfahrung und zu jung: er war 24 Jahre alt, als er JYP verließ
b) Keine Zeit: wie soll er bitte bei dem hektischen Schedule, was er hat, dann noch Zeit für Management-Tätigkeiten zu finden?
c) Schutz: eben genau sich vor solchen Geschichten (Gerichtsklagen etc.) zu schützen, was aber leider nicht geklappt hat, weil es besser ist, Rain zu attackieren als J. Tune.
Was 6To5 betrifft, so hat Rain auch dies beantwortet. Es war sein Traum, ein Designer zu sein und J. Tune Creative wurde deshalb gegründet, um einen Fashion-Label zu eröffnen. Aber Rain hat nie gesagt: „6To5 ist meine Marke!“. Zwischen dem Traum, Designer zu sein und eine Marke/Firma zu besitzen, ist ein Unterschied. Er hat von Anfang an gesagt, er ist Designer und Model für die Marke, d.h. er steht mit seinem Namen für die Marke, aber nicht der Besitzer. Wir als Fans haben es als sein Baby gesehen, nicht er selber. Deswegen habe ich z.B. bei 6To5 in Korea oft eingekauft, weil ich ihn damit unterstützen wollte. Für ihn ging es darum, einen Weg zu finden, damit die Firma Profit macht. Aber leider ging das schief, weil die von Anfang eine falsche Strategie hatten – mit Rain’s Namen so schnell wie möglich Geld machen!
Wenn du Zeit hast, kannst Du gerne sämtliches Material suchen. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, dass Rain jemals selber gesagt hat, aus seinem eigenen Mund: Ich bin der Boss und das ist meine eigene Firma!
Es wurde von allen anderen so gedacht, dargestellt, sei es von Medien, Fans, Freunden und vielleicht von J. Tune selber. Rain’s Name bedeutet Geld!
Ich vertraue nur darauf, was Rain selber aus seinem Mund sagt. Deswegen zeige ich manchmal Clips/Interviews meiner koreanischen Lehrerin, weil ich Übersetzungen (manchmal sogar von „Fans“), den Medien und sogar einigen bei J. Tune selber nicht traue.
Für mich ist durch dieses Interview vieles klarer denn je und ich fühle mich in vielem bestätigt, was ich seit Langem gedacht habe.
Ich hoffe, du hast einen schönen Tag im Büro. Ich habe heute frei!
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